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Hello there.
My name is Hans Anderberg and I seek some aid in
refuting some arguments surrounding Talmud issues against a white nationalist
anti-semite on Stormfront known as "The Revisionist".
I tend to visit that forum in an adament fashion to engage racism and irrational mythbuilding to debate upon occasion.
I recieved some aid from Michael Gruda and Michael
Winner though they are too busy to offer much assistance any further.
I also used certain quotes from Rabbi Gil Student's website talmud.faithweb.com of which this excerpt below is a continued discourse on.
I would greatly appreciate any help you could offer in giving refutations on his arguments.
If you feel you do not have the time nor the interest I understand.
The discussin is listed below with my quotes and the anti-semitic promoter's reply is "The Revisionist".
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...a court that kills one person in 70 years...
The Revisionist:
Ha! So goes the propaganda. On the other hand, oddly
enough, we have the Noahide laws repeatedly calling
for the death penalty. So, for what purpose were so
many such laws enacted if they have no force of
action? What kind of deterrent is that to "bad"
behavior? And what difference does it make if the
Rabbis were always goading someone else into doing
their bloody dirty work?
Quote:
Last time I checked, non-Jews are NOT classified as
"idolaters."
The Revisionist:
And where exactly did you check?
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Of course, those who bow down to idols ARE, for
obvious reasons. There is however, a debate amongst
certain Jewish leaders from the Middle Ages whether
Catholicism is considered idolatry due to the belief
in the Trinity. In fact, Maimonides believes that
Christianity is NOT.
The Revisionist:
Well, you're simply wrong.
In 1962, a part of the Maimonidean Code which contains
the basic rules of the Jewish faith was published in
English and Hebrew. The Hebrew text commands Jews to
exterminate infidels. It says: "It is a duty (mishnah)
to exterminate them with one's own hands." The Code
then goes on to identify the "infidels" who are to
exterminated: "Such as Jesus of Nazareth and his
pupils, and Tzadoq and Baitos [the founders of the
Sadducee sect] and their pupils. May the name of the
wicked rot."
But, in considering "idolatry," one may suggest that a
Gentile who consents to the worship of Jews by
accepting the “Guilt Trip” is also guilty of a certain
form of idolatry – the idol being, of course, the
Jewish people. So, in that sense, the Rabbis have been
shown to be somewhat accurate in their description of
the majority of non-Jews today, although it is the
worship of the Jewish people that is the point of
Judaism.
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Who are these "Canaanites"??? Heh, well, that's
simple. They are from Noah’s grandchild, Canaan. Any
simple reading of the Bible will tell you that. In no
way are they connected to the Palestinians or Muslims,
since they come from Ishmael, Avraham’s son. This is
actually the first time I have heard anybody mix the
two up.
The Revisionist:
That's surprising, because I did not invent the
practice. What a shame it is that we are not dealing
here with a simple reading of the Bible, Hans, but
rather the application of ancient terminology to the
Jews' enemies du jour. Many rabbis, such as the former
chief rabbi of "Israel" Ovadia Yossef, have made these
and similar allusions from time to time publicly. If
the chief rabbi of "Israel" holds no authority in
these matters, what business does he have occupying
the office or even speaking on the matter?
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Furthermore, there are a great many religious Jews who
are anti-Zionists.
The Revisionist:
This is owed ONLY to an obscure Talmud passage where
the Rabbis insist that an independent state in the
Land of Israel cannot be established